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	<title>Comments on: Religulous: Replacing Ridiculous Religion with Ridiculous Rationality</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/10/religulous-replacing-ridiculous-religion-with-ridiculous-rationality/comment-page-1/#comment-3086</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, it&#039;s perfectly fine to share this post with them!

You might also direct them toward &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.signandsight.com/features/1714.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; by JÃ¼rgen Habermas. It might be pretty complicated, depending on their reading level, but Habermas used to argue similarly to these students and to Locke: Religion is a private affair, and our public sphere should be 100% secular. Now he&#039;s calling our publics &quot;post-secular.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, it&#8217;s perfectly fine to share this post with them!</p>
<p>You might also direct them toward <a href="http://www.signandsight.com/features/1714.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> by JÃ¼rgen Habermas. It might be pretty complicated, depending on their reading level, but Habermas used to argue similarly to these students and to Locke: Religion is a private affair, and our public sphere should be 100% secular. Now he&#8217;s calling our publics &#8220;post-secular.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sara jameson</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/10/religulous-replacing-ridiculous-religion-with-ridiculous-rationality/comment-page-1/#comment-3083</link>
		<dc:creator>sara jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you have hit on the very dilemma that two of my WR 222 students are in as they try to define (argument of definition) that religion = hypocrisy, but so clearly non-Rogerian (not that I have emphasized this, but probably should more) ranting against how ridiculous religion is.  They say, prayer is useless. They say, religion does not belong in politics (they do not, yet, notice that Martin Luther King was a pastor who used his church to fight for liberal civil rights).  Very Lockean (if I understand this correctly) - religion is entirely personal and has no place in the public because of &quot;separation of church and state&quot; (which they misinterpret).  Yet, they also say, if someone who professes a faith makes even the least inconsistency or doesn&#039;t follow that faith perfectly, then they are hypocrites.  Subtleties are lost here.  I&#039;m going to try to work with them.  Not so much because I would like to enlighten them to (what I see as ) a more tolerant and nuanced position, as at least to show them that ranting like they are doing will not be effective with most audiences.  If they don&#039;t care, well, then, OK.

If it&#039;s all right with you, I would like to share your blog post with them. Neither managed to cite the film which would have been an obvious addition to their argument (and we already talked in class about films as arguments of definition or personifications of terms etc).

Thanks, Michael!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you have hit on the very dilemma that two of my WR 222 students are in as they try to define (argument of definition) that religion = hypocrisy, but so clearly non-Rogerian (not that I have emphasized this, but probably should more) ranting against how ridiculous religion is.  They say, prayer is useless. They say, religion does not belong in politics (they do not, yet, notice that Martin Luther King was a pastor who used his church to fight for liberal civil rights).  Very Lockean (if I understand this correctly) &#8211; religion is entirely personal and has no place in the public because of &#8220;separation of church and state&#8221; (which they misinterpret).  Yet, they also say, if someone who professes a faith makes even the least inconsistency or doesn&#8217;t follow that faith perfectly, then they are hypocrites.  Subtleties are lost here.  I&#8217;m going to try to work with them.  Not so much because I would like to enlighten them to (what I see as ) a more tolerant and nuanced position, as at least to show them that ranting like they are doing will not be effective with most audiences.  If they don&#8217;t care, well, then, OK.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s all right with you, I would like to share your blog post with them. Neither managed to cite the film which would have been an obvious addition to their argument (and we already talked in class about films as arguments of definition or personifications of terms etc).</p>
<p>Thanks, Michael!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Maher&#8217;s &#8220;Religulous&#8221; &#171; Cultivated Pages</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/10/religulous-replacing-ridiculous-religion-with-ridiculous-rationality/comment-page-1/#comment-3049</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Maher&#8217;s &#8220;Religulous&#8221; &#171; Cultivated Pages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 by Laura   I so appreciate my friend Michael&#8217;s review of Bill Maher&#8217;s movie Religulous that I want to post it in its entirety here.Â  I&#8217;ve seen a few TV reviews of this movie, one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 by Laura   I so appreciate my friend Michael&#8217;s review of Bill Maher&#8217;s movie Religulous that I want to post it in its entirety here.Â  I&#8217;ve seen a few TV reviews of this movie, one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/10/religulous-replacing-ridiculous-religion-with-ridiculous-rationality/comment-page-1/#comment-2898</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Laura. I&#039;m not sure what to say after that glowing response. :) Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Laura. I&#8217;m not sure what to say after that glowing response. <img src='http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, Michael. I really appreciate the balance, insight, and calm of your review. 

I have been noticing lately all the books published which argue that we need to get rid of religion altogether, and besides of course being an almost childish and simplistic response to the problems brought by religion, it is also a un-charitable and impatient and even hateful response to them. And, as you point out in the case of this film, it&#039;s a response in which one takes on the very characteristics of the thing one is critiquing: an all-or-nothing kind of thinking, an impatience with the complexities of problems, etc... an impatience with other human beings, a judgment of them. And what else is that but the very thing Maher is supposedly critiquing?

Anyway, thanks, Michael. I so very much appreciate your thoughtful review. You are one of those people in the world who... while OF COURSE I don&#039;t always agree with you (again, of course not), I always like the WAY you think.  Bravo, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, Michael. I really appreciate the balance, insight, and calm of your review. </p>
<p>I have been noticing lately all the books published which argue that we need to get rid of religion altogether, and besides of course being an almost childish and simplistic response to the problems brought by religion, it is also a un-charitable and impatient and even hateful response to them. And, as you point out in the case of this film, it&#8217;s a response in which one takes on the very characteristics of the thing one is critiquing: an all-or-nothing kind of thinking, an impatience with the complexities of problems, etc&#8230; an impatience with other human beings, a judgment of them. And what else is that but the very thing Maher is supposedly critiquing?</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks, Michael. I so very much appreciate your thoughtful review. You are one of those people in the world who&#8230; while OF COURSE I don&#8217;t always agree with you (again, of course not), I always like the WAY you think.  Bravo, Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought Maher was arrogant and unfunny. Good to know I&#039;m still right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought Maher was arrogant and unfunny. Good to know I&#8217;m still right. <img src='http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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