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	<title>Comments on: 584: Weekly Position Paper #4: Problematizing Empathy</title>
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		<title>By: ML Sugie</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/09/584-weekly-position-paper-4-problematizing-empathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>ML Sugie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Briefly: Empathy and sympathy seem to be important components of moral reasoning in that they may provide important evidence and data for us to act on, i.e. we shouldn&#039;t commit rape because we can empathize (be &quot;in feeling&quot;) with survivors of rape, and those are not feelings we ought to have.

I think most people don&#039;t fully empathize, or as you say don&#039;t empathize except to roll a &quot;moral check&quot; against a particular action. We just place ourselves - minds and all - in a particular situation, roll our 20-sided empathy dice, and see if we come up with the same feeling or emotion. If not, we &quot;can&#039;t empathize&quot; with someone&#039;s particular response or belief in something. I don&#039;t think most of us ever exert the effort to actually get to the place where we could be &quot;in feeling&quot; with someone, as that would require knowing so much more about someone&#039;s life and the particulars about a situation than I think we have energy for.

Or empathy is used in the banal sense, i.e. &quot;I feel what you feel, but I don&#039;t care and will not act on that understanding.&quot; Perhaps empathy is simply misused, mislabeled, and misapplied in most cases - like any component of moral reasoning that is used independently.

See the SEP articles on &lt;a href=&quot;http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/empathy/#EmpMorPsy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;empathy&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/reasoning-moral/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;moral reasoning&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly: Empathy and sympathy seem to be important components of moral reasoning in that they may provide important evidence and data for us to act on, i.e. we shouldn&#8217;t commit rape because we can empathize (be &#8220;in feeling&#8221;) with survivors of rape, and those are not feelings we ought to have.</p>
<p>I think most people don&#8217;t fully empathize, or as you say don&#8217;t empathize except to roll a &#8220;moral check&#8221; against a particular action. We just place ourselves &#8211; minds and all &#8211; in a particular situation, roll our 20-sided empathy dice, and see if we come up with the same feeling or emotion. If not, we &#8220;can&#8217;t empathize&#8221; with someone&#8217;s particular response or belief in something. I don&#8217;t think most of us ever exert the effort to actually get to the place where we could be &#8220;in feeling&#8221; with someone, as that would require knowing so much more about someone&#8217;s life and the particulars about a situation than I think we have energy for.</p>
<p>Or empathy is used in the banal sense, i.e. &#8220;I feel what you feel, but I don&#8217;t care and will not act on that understanding.&#8221; Perhaps empathy is simply misused, mislabeled, and misapplied in most cases &#8211; like any component of moral reasoning that is used independently.</p>
<p>See the SEP articles on <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/empathy/#EmpMorPsy" rel="nofollow">empathy</a> and <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/reasoning-moral/" rel="nofollow">moral reasoning</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bill! I&#039;ll definitely check these out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bill! I&#8217;ll definitely check these out!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/09/584-weekly-position-paper-4-problematizing-empathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  This is an issue I&#039;ve been thinking about A LOT lately.  Amy Shuman&#039;s &#039;Other People&#039;s Stories&#039; is a great book for thinking through the ethics of empathy.  She&#039;s a folklorist and draws on many, many kinds of stories and experiences and also many, many kinds of differences.  Very useful.

Closer to composition studies, see Matthew Newcomb&#039;s piece from JAC in 2007 and Kristie Fleckenstein&#039;s response to him in the subsequent issue.  They talk about ways for empathy to accomplish some of the work of materiality.

But I like your take on things--the idea that turning the lens on oneself might be more productive.  Smart stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  This is an issue I&#8217;ve been thinking about A LOT lately.  Amy Shuman&#8217;s &#8216;Other People&#8217;s Stories&#8217; is a great book for thinking through the ethics of empathy.  She&#8217;s a folklorist and draws on many, many kinds of stories and experiences and also many, many kinds of differences.  Very useful.</p>
<p>Closer to composition studies, see Matthew Newcomb&#8217;s piece from JAC in 2007 and Kristie Fleckenstein&#8217;s response to him in the subsequent issue.  They talk about ways for empathy to accomplish some of the work of materiality.</p>
<p>But I like your take on things&#8211;the idea that turning the lens on oneself might be more productive.  Smart stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Nels and Dennis. I&#039;ll check out that book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Nels and Dennis. I&#8217;ll check out that book!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done.  Good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done.  Good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
		<link>http://michaeljfaris.com/blog/2008/09/584-weekly-position-paper-4-problematizing-empathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book really got me thinking about empathy a few years ago.  Different field, but if you are interested, it&#039;s thought-provoking.  And you&#039;re right about the flattening of difference.

http://www.amazon.com/Empathy-Practice-Medicine-Beyond-Scalpel/dp/0300066708/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book really got me thinking about empathy a few years ago.  Different field, but if you are interested, it&#8217;s thought-provoking.  And you&#8217;re right about the flattening of difference.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Empathy-Practice-Medicine-Beyond-Scalpel/dp/0300066708/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Empathy-Practice-Medicine-Beyond-Scalpel/dp/0300066708/</a></p>
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